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		<title>By: Stephen Beban</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/a-better-analogy/#comment-670316</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Beban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 18:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Ullfig: You&#039;re forgetting the idle human capital: If a company lays someone off or forgoes hiring due to lack of demand - meaning they lack a secure income to justify said hire - stimulus allows them to hire that worker and the now not-idle worker has money to pursue his preferences, creating demand; this effect, en masse, has enough of an effect that the temporary hires can be sustained due to renewed cumulative demand from the ripple effects of a re-employed work force. I think of it as a tragedy of the commons problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Ullfig: You&#8217;re forgetting the idle human capital: If a company lays someone off or forgoes hiring due to lack of demand &#8211; meaning they lack a secure income to justify said hire &#8211; stimulus allows them to hire that worker and the now not-idle worker has money to pursue his preferences, creating demand; this effect, en masse, has enough of an effect that the temporary hires can be sustained due to renewed cumulative demand from the ripple effects of a re-employed work force. I think of it as a tragedy of the commons problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Ullfig</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/a-better-analogy/#comment-152636</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Ullfig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The great depression lasted the longest in the USA, because the government went into overdrive trying to &quot;fix&quot; the economy. Government can&#039;t fix anything. Government can&#039;t produce anything. People do. Every time government decides to further regulate, it makes it harder for people to produce, not easyer. 

Any regulation or law the government comes up with, requires unproductive time to comply with. Look at the income tax code. it is so massively complicated, an entire industry (tax preparers) exists just to comply with it. Tax preparers produce absolutely nothing. Thousands and thousands of people that make a living from producing nothing. No regulation can ever stimulate the economy. Regulations only get in the way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great depression lasted the longest in the USA, because the government went into overdrive trying to &#8220;fix&#8221; the economy. Government can&#8217;t fix anything. Government can&#8217;t produce anything. People do. Every time government decides to further regulate, it makes it harder for people to produce, not easyer. </p>
<p>Any regulation or law the government comes up with, requires unproductive time to comply with. Look at the income tax code. it is so massively complicated, an entire industry (tax preparers) exists just to comply with it. Tax preparers produce absolutely nothing. Thousands and thousands of people that make a living from producing nothing. No regulation can ever stimulate the economy. Regulations only get in the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Ullfig</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/a-better-analogy/#comment-152628</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Ullfig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your theory is based on a fallacy. You say that there are cycles, and that money may be sitting idle needlesly while people suffer in other sectors of the economy. Sound nice, but here is the fallacy: the federal government is funded almost entirely on income taxes. Money that sits idle produces no income. Any and all taxes that the goverment collects, will be by definition money siphoned away from productive capital, not idle capital. So the stimulus is in fact taking money from one end of the pool, and pouring at the other end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your theory is based on a fallacy. You say that there are cycles, and that money may be sitting idle needlesly while people suffer in other sectors of the economy. Sound nice, but here is the fallacy: the federal government is funded almost entirely on income taxes. Money that sits idle produces no income. Any and all taxes that the goverment collects, will be by definition money siphoned away from productive capital, not idle capital. So the stimulus is in fact taking money from one end of the pool, and pouring at the other end.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Konitz</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/a-better-analogy/#comment-40660</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Konitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 19:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I firmly believe that Stimulus spending properly directed will benefit all U.S. citizens. Our infrastructure is crumbling and our efficiency in transporting large segments of society is reaching a breaking point. The indirect costs such as wasted fuel, motor vehicle accidents, lost productivity (can&#039;t get much done in a traffic jam), wear-n-tear on existing roads etc. Our country was not built with transportation efficiency envisioned nor contemplated (fuel would always be plentiful &amp; cheap right). So even with our high deficits having treasury print more dollars might not be such a bad idea. Rebuilding our roads, bridges and highways today in todays dollars just might be cheaper in the long run. Investing in and building High-speed rail to address how we are going to move 300mil+ people efficiently in the future would also be a sound investment. Business large or small cannot survive without employees and the ability to move goods and services. However until the R&#039;s stop their relentless blockade of our government all for the sake of winning elections these will all be pipe dreams.

Now hopefully I was not to far off topic and I am ready to receive whatever criticism may come my way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I firmly believe that Stimulus spending properly directed will benefit all U.S. citizens. Our infrastructure is crumbling and our efficiency in transporting large segments of society is reaching a breaking point. The indirect costs such as wasted fuel, motor vehicle accidents, lost productivity (can&#8217;t get much done in a traffic jam), wear-n-tear on existing roads etc. Our country was not built with transportation efficiency envisioned nor contemplated (fuel would always be plentiful &amp; cheap right). So even with our high deficits having treasury print more dollars might not be such a bad idea. Rebuilding our roads, bridges and highways today in todays dollars just might be cheaper in the long run. Investing in and building High-speed rail to address how we are going to move 300mil+ people efficiently in the future would also be a sound investment. Business large or small cannot survive without employees and the ability to move goods and services. However until the R&#8217;s stop their relentless blockade of our government all for the sake of winning elections these will all be pipe dreams.</p>
<p>Now hopefully I was not to far off topic and I am ready to receive whatever criticism may come my way.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Donaldson</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/a-better-analogy/#comment-37741</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Donaldson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 15:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A snowstorm has just knocked out power to 2.5 million Americans. Perhaps, underground utilities might be an important project, particularly if you want to keep Americans from freezing to death without electricity in freezing weather.

Instead, government hides its head, and utilities focus on dividends rather than infrastructure.

Whether raxpayers should assist in burying the grid is the kind of question that deserves national attention - not whether or not Obama smokes or was born in Kenya.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A snowstorm has just knocked out power to 2.5 million Americans. Perhaps, underground utilities might be an important project, particularly if you want to keep Americans from freezing to death without electricity in freezing weather.</p>
<p>Instead, government hides its head, and utilities focus on dividends rather than infrastructure.</p>
<p>Whether raxpayers should assist in burying the grid is the kind of question that deserves national attention &#8211; not whether or not Obama smokes or was born in Kenya.</p>
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		<title>By: Chigliakus</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/a-better-analogy/#comment-37002</link>
		<dc:creator>Chigliakus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which resources, specifically, are we talking about here?  The only one I can think of that has any potential to limit growth in the next 100 years is oil.  If we haven&#039;t yet hit peak oil we almost certainly will in the next decade.  This isn&#039;t an immediate barrier to growth, there is lots of oil still in the ground in various forms that is currently considered marginal but will become economically viable to extract when the price of oil reaches some threshold.  There have also been some &lt;a href=&quot;http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/08/burning-fat-in-reverse-makes-for-efficent-biofuels.ars&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pretty amazing advances&lt;/a&gt; in biofuels research recently.  

Obviously there are other issues like global warming, which will certainly be a huge challenge for all of humanity in the coming decades.  It will be expensive, but ultimately I don&#039;t think remediating global warming and dealing with the warming and consequences we&#039;ve already &quot;locked in&quot; will put a halt to growth either.  I&#039;d also add that as urbanization marches forward in developing nations we&#039;re starting to see the population-growth-slowing effects that city life brings.  World population growth should halt and even reverse this century, so if we can continue to grow economies it could result in a higher standard of living for everyone--at least if we can maintain a progressive tax structure and achieve a more equitable distribution of wealth.

I guess I&#039;m an optimist despite the looming challenges of this century...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which resources, specifically, are we talking about here?  The only one I can think of that has any potential to limit growth in the next 100 years is oil.  If we haven&#8217;t yet hit peak oil we almost certainly will in the next decade.  This isn&#8217;t an immediate barrier to growth, there is lots of oil still in the ground in various forms that is currently considered marginal but will become economically viable to extract when the price of oil reaches some threshold.  There have also been some <a href="http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/08/burning-fat-in-reverse-makes-for-efficent-biofuels.ars" rel="nofollow">pretty amazing advances</a> in biofuels research recently.  </p>
<p>Obviously there are other issues like global warming, which will certainly be a huge challenge for all of humanity in the coming decades.  It will be expensive, but ultimately I don&#8217;t think remediating global warming and dealing with the warming and consequences we&#8217;ve already &#8220;locked in&#8221; will put a halt to growth either.  I&#8217;d also add that as urbanization marches forward in developing nations we&#8217;re starting to see the population-growth-slowing effects that city life brings.  World population growth should halt and even reverse this century, so if we can continue to grow economies it could result in a higher standard of living for everyone&#8211;at least if we can maintain a progressive tax structure and achieve a more equitable distribution of wealth.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m an optimist despite the looming challenges of this century&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SpreadEagle</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/a-better-analogy/#comment-36999</link>
		<dc:creator>SpreadEagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recycle. No matter is created or destroyed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recycle. No matter is created or destroyed.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in MN</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/a-better-analogy/#comment-36812</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom in MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah Ha!

It&#039;s been 30 years since I took Econ 101 as my first and last Econ course, but I guess something stuck -- even if I can&#039;t remember that&#039;s where I got it from.

And yes, all the convoluted arguments about second order effects to try and avoid the obvious, like cutting jobs is unlikely to result in higher employment, is certainly baffling. 

P.S. I like my freshwater for sailing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah Ha!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been 30 years since I took Econ 101 as my first and last Econ course, but I guess something stuck &#8212; even if I can&#8217;t remember that&#8217;s where I got it from.</p>
<p>And yes, all the convoluted arguments about second order effects to try and avoid the obvious, like cutting jobs is unlikely to result in higher employment, is certainly baffling. </p>
<p>P.S. I like my freshwater for sailing.</p>
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		<title>By: smartalek</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/a-better-analogy/#comment-36792</link>
		<dc:creator>smartalek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;&lt;i&gt;You see, the swimming pool analogy doesn’t work because it’s static—it ignores the dynamics…the actual moving parts in a real economy&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;

Indeed.
And isn&#039;t it passing strange that the very same pols (&amp; their media mouthpieces) who castigate the CBO for making &quot;static&quot; projections re: tax-cuts (among other issues)-- ie, for not taking into account that changes in taxation will cause changes in behaviors and outcomes -- should utterly ignore that self-same sacred principle when it comes to projections of the impacts of gummint spending, esp cuts therein?
Why, if one didn&#039;t know better, one might suspect such people were engaging in, at best, hypocrisy, and at worst, deliberate deceit!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>You see, the swimming pool analogy doesn’t work because it’s static—it ignores the dynamics…the actual moving parts in a real economy</i>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed.<br />
And isn&#8217;t it passing strange that the very same pols (&amp; their media mouthpieces) who castigate the CBO for making &#8220;static&#8221; projections re: tax-cuts (among other issues)&#8211; ie, for not taking into account that changes in taxation will cause changes in behaviors and outcomes &#8212; should utterly ignore that self-same sacred principle when it comes to projections of the impacts of gummint spending, esp cuts therein?<br />
Why, if one didn&#8217;t know better, one might suspect such people were engaging in, at best, hypocrisy, and at worst, deliberate deceit!</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Murrain</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/a-better-analogy/#comment-36787</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Murrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You say in this article: &quot;we should be applying fiscal policy to generate growth&quot;. And I agree in general principal with what you are saying here. My question - what do you think about those who argue that growth is basically gone, and we are running up against our resource limits, and we can&#039;t realistically grow much more. For instance, Richard Heinberg, who wrote &quot;The End of Growth.&quot;

I see that a lot of progressive economists talk about policies that are meant to &quot;get growth going&quot; - and I&#039;d agree with those policies in principle, if I weren&#039;t convinced, like Heinberg, that we&#039;re hitting the ceiling - infinite growth isn&#039;t possible in a world with finite resources.

Thoughts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say in this article: &#8220;we should be applying fiscal policy to generate growth&#8221;. And I agree in general principal with what you are saying here. My question &#8211; what do you think about those who argue that growth is basically gone, and we are running up against our resource limits, and we can&#8217;t realistically grow much more. For instance, Richard Heinberg, who wrote &#8220;The End of Growth.&#8221;</p>
<p>I see that a lot of progressive economists talk about policies that are meant to &#8220;get growth going&#8221; &#8211; and I&#8217;d agree with those policies in principle, if I weren&#8217;t convinced, like Heinberg, that we&#8217;re hitting the ceiling &#8211; infinite growth isn&#8217;t possible in a world with finite resources.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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