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		<title>By: Rob Parrish</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/getting-straight-on-small-business-job-creation-firms-vs-establishments/#comment-347036</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Parrish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jared - maybe you can help me with this.  

How many people/families who make over 200K/250K a year (i.e. those that would be impacted by President Obama&#039;s proposed tax increases) own a &quot;small business&quot; vs are just making that amount of income because either their wages are very high or because of capital gains?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared &#8211; maybe you can help me with this.  </p>
<p>How many people/families who make over 200K/250K a year (i.e. those that would be impacted by President Obama&#8217;s proposed tax increases) own a &#8220;small business&#8221; vs are just making that amount of income because either their wages are very high or because of capital gains?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: davesnyd</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/getting-straight-on-small-business-job-creation-firms-vs-establishments/#comment-244640</link>
		<dc:creator>davesnyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s another economic advantage that small businesses have: they are the path to building wealth for individual entrepreneurs in a way that a large business isn&#039;t.

You&#039;ve listed a number of ways they are disadvantaged. What you&#039;ve left out is &quot;taxcode&quot;. My suspicion is that you&#039;d find that small businesses pay higher rates than the large ones-- many of which we&#039;ve recently been informed by the media pay little or nothing at tax time.

The large firms do so by targeted loopholes. Small businesses can&#039;t pay the lobbyists to buy the loopholes.

An advantage to streamlining the taxcode, removing the loopholes, and lowering the overall rate (even if it isn&#039;t revenue neutral-- even if, as you prefer, that leads to revenue increase) is to reduce the advantage that the taxcode provides large businesses over small ones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s another economic advantage that small businesses have: they are the path to building wealth for individual entrepreneurs in a way that a large business isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve listed a number of ways they are disadvantaged. What you&#8217;ve left out is &#8220;taxcode&#8221;. My suspicion is that you&#8217;d find that small businesses pay higher rates than the large ones&#8211; many of which we&#8217;ve recently been informed by the media pay little or nothing at tax time.</p>
<p>The large firms do so by targeted loopholes. Small businesses can&#8217;t pay the lobbyists to buy the loopholes.</p>
<p>An advantage to streamlining the taxcode, removing the loopholes, and lowering the overall rate (even if it isn&#8217;t revenue neutral&#8211; even if, as you prefer, that leads to revenue increase) is to reduce the advantage that the taxcode provides large businesses over small ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/getting-straight-on-small-business-job-creation-firms-vs-establishments/#comment-243101</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It depends on how you define &quot;small business&quot;.

According to your graph, if you considered small businesses to be anyone who employs less than 500 people, those &quot;small businesses&quot; would account for more than the large businesses. By splitting this group into two, you can tell the opposite story.

If you were to split the large businesses into &quot;large&quot; and &quot;huge&quot; you&#039;d get yet another story. How to mislead with graphs...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends on how you define &#8220;small business&#8221;.</p>
<p>According to your graph, if you considered small businesses to be anyone who employs less than 500 people, those &#8220;small businesses&#8221; would account for more than the large businesses. By splitting this group into two, you can tell the opposite story.</p>
<p>If you were to split the large businesses into &#8220;large&#8221; and &#8220;huge&#8221; you&#8217;d get yet another story. How to mislead with graphs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NRG</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/getting-straight-on-small-business-job-creation-firms-vs-establishments/#comment-242268</link>
		<dc:creator>NRG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll provide one example (of many) of what I mean.

I speak regularly speak to workers who are not allowed to leave their work stations for any reason outside legally required break periods.  Yes, that includes bathroom breaks.  More than one of them has told me they regularly wet themselves rather than risk losing their jobs (diabetics and pregnant women are particularly vulnerable).  This kind of unconscionable treatment, along with all the accompanying shortcomings in wages and benefits you might expect, is not something you see in small firms.  It&#039;s unique to the dehumanhizing world of the huge employer.  

I grant you that not all small firms are run by saints, nor do they all treat workers well.  That said, I&#039;ll take a small employer over a huge one any day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll provide one example (of many) of what I mean.</p>
<p>I speak regularly speak to workers who are not allowed to leave their work stations for any reason outside legally required break periods.  Yes, that includes bathroom breaks.  More than one of them has told me they regularly wet themselves rather than risk losing their jobs (diabetics and pregnant women are particularly vulnerable).  This kind of unconscionable treatment, along with all the accompanying shortcomings in wages and benefits you might expect, is not something you see in small firms.  It&#8217;s unique to the dehumanhizing world of the huge employer.  </p>
<p>I grant you that not all small firms are run by saints, nor do they all treat workers well.  That said, I&#8217;ll take a small employer over a huge one any day.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Bernstein</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/getting-straight-on-small-business-job-creation-firms-vs-establishments/#comment-241973</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re franchises, it&#039;s not a simple question, because it depends on which EIN is submitted to the IRS.  Here&#039;s the BLS on this point:

&quot;For these data, firms are identified by the unique Employer Identification Number (EIN) issued by the IRS. Multiple establishments that share the same EIN are counted as a single firm, and employment from each establishment is aggregated to determine employment for the firm as a whole.&quot;

I believe this is not consistent over franchises--some have their own EINs and others don&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re franchises, it&#8217;s not a simple question, because it depends on which EIN is submitted to the IRS.  Here&#8217;s the BLS on this point:</p>
<p>&#8220;For these data, firms are identified by the unique Employer Identification Number (EIN) issued by the IRS. Multiple establishments that share the same EIN are counted as a single firm, and employment from each establishment is aggregated to determine employment for the firm as a whole.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe this is not consistent over franchises&#8211;some have their own EINs and others don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheraton</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/getting-straight-on-small-business-job-creation-firms-vs-establishments/#comment-241960</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheraton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is one thing I have never been able to understand..why would a small business making over $250,000 a year not invest in expanding their business just because the additional income will be taxed slightly higher??  Short of a 100% marginal tax rate, wouldnt the business always be better off expanding, even if the additional earnings are taxed slightly higher?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is one thing I have never been able to understand..why would a small business making over $250,000 a year not invest in expanding their business just because the additional income will be taxed slightly higher??  Short of a 100% marginal tax rate, wouldnt the business always be better off expanding, even if the additional earnings are taxed slightly higher?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Weinstein</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/getting-straight-on-small-business-job-creation-firms-vs-establishments/#comment-241876</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Weinstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, a question:  What about franchise owners and their employees.  Many are individually owned and operated, and they hire their own employees.  I would call them small businesses if they have fewer than 50 employees, even though they are part of a chain like McDonald&#039;s.  Is that where they are in the data that is shown?

Second, it would be interesting to see what the data show on the number of small businesses owned by individuals who make less than $250,000 per year versus the number of small businesses with owners who make more than that amount, and their respective job creation amounts.  

The questions would be:  do owners of small businesses where the owner makes less than $250,000 per year (which would be unaffected by Obama&#039;s proposal to only let the tax rates revert to pre-Bush tax rates on those who make more than that amount)provide the most job creation in the small business category?  

Also, what is the evidence that owners who make more than $250,000/yr would not create more jobs even under Clinton-era tax rates?  It is possible that such wealthy owners would continue to invest in their businesses by such actions as hiring more employees to increase business revenue and their wealth, even if they were taxed at a higher rate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, a question:  What about franchise owners and their employees.  Many are individually owned and operated, and they hire their own employees.  I would call them small businesses if they have fewer than 50 employees, even though they are part of a chain like McDonald&#8217;s.  Is that where they are in the data that is shown?</p>
<p>Second, it would be interesting to see what the data show on the number of small businesses owned by individuals who make less than $250,000 per year versus the number of small businesses with owners who make more than that amount, and their respective job creation amounts.  </p>
<p>The questions would be:  do owners of small businesses where the owner makes less than $250,000 per year (which would be unaffected by Obama&#8217;s proposal to only let the tax rates revert to pre-Bush tax rates on those who make more than that amount)provide the most job creation in the small business category?  </p>
<p>Also, what is the evidence that owners who make more than $250,000/yr would not create more jobs even under Clinton-era tax rates?  It is possible that such wealthy owners would continue to invest in their businesses by such actions as hiring more employees to increase business revenue and their wealth, even if they were taxed at a higher rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Wright</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/getting-straight-on-small-business-job-creation-firms-vs-establishments/#comment-241838</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Negative net job creation among small firms at least in part reflects turnover of the firms themselves...especially in today&#039;s economy. For many small businesses, the life cycle of the business is short and the equity cost to the owner is high. Creating a business and funding its likely failure amounts to a very busy early retirement...all of ones savings and home equity may be gone with nothing to show for it. 

In a tough employment market, entrepreneurship may seem attractive. However, the risk exposes the individuals and the system to worsening conditions in the long run. The investment in the business is lost to the investor. There is an opportunity cost to the savings and investments portion of GDP. And there is an individual with lower demand and greater need for safety nets in old age.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Negative net job creation among small firms at least in part reflects turnover of the firms themselves&#8230;especially in today&#8217;s economy. For many small businesses, the life cycle of the business is short and the equity cost to the owner is high. Creating a business and funding its likely failure amounts to a very busy early retirement&#8230;all of ones savings and home equity may be gone with nothing to show for it. </p>
<p>In a tough employment market, entrepreneurship may seem attractive. However, the risk exposes the individuals and the system to worsening conditions in the long run. The investment in the business is lost to the investor. There is an opportunity cost to the savings and investments portion of GDP. And there is an individual with lower demand and greater need for safety nets in old age.</p>
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		<title>By: rationalrevolution</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/getting-straight-on-small-business-job-creation-firms-vs-establishments/#comment-241777</link>
		<dc:creator>rationalrevolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been telling people this for years. But here is another important note: Over 50% of the American workforce is employed by less than 1% of the firms.

Less than 1% of registered businesses in America employ over 50% of the workforce, in fact its like 0.3%.

Think about what this means in terms of the power that this small number of firms holds...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been telling people this for years. But here is another important note: Over 50% of the American workforce is employed by less than 1% of the firms.</p>
<p>Less than 1% of registered businesses in America employ over 50% of the workforce, in fact its like 0.3%.</p>
<p>Think about what this means in terms of the power that this small number of firms holds&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PeonInChief</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeonInChief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some small businesses pay good wages and provide good benefits.  There are a large number, however, that pay lousy wages with no benefits at all.  I&#039;ve never found that small employers were at all embarrassed to pay barely-above-the-minimum wages and zero benefits.  My husband worked for a small business for about four months and, in addition to the lousy wages, we got to attend dinners with the family that owned the business.  It was nearly 30 years ago, and I still remember the horror.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some small businesses pay good wages and provide good benefits.  There are a large number, however, that pay lousy wages with no benefits at all.  I&#8217;ve never found that small employers were at all embarrassed to pay barely-above-the-minimum wages and zero benefits.  My husband worked for a small business for about four months and, in addition to the lousy wages, we got to attend dinners with the family that owned the business.  It was nearly 30 years ago, and I still remember the horror.</p>
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