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		<title>By: perplexed</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/hair-of-the-dog-that-bit-ya/#comment-165880</link>
		<dc:creator>perplexed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 16:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But the fact that households are availing themselves of credit again is likely a good sign.&quot;

This time may indeed be different. With virtually all of the income gains going to the top and a significant portion (50%+-) of the debt reduction coming from foreclosures and bankruptcies, the income that supports this debt hasn&#039;t changed much. Fabius Maximus makes a great point above about student loans (where&#039;s the income that supports these?), but who&#039;s watching the TBTF&#039;s and who&#039;s really taking on the additional risk?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But the fact that households are availing themselves of credit again is likely a good sign.&#8221;</p>
<p>This time may indeed be different. With virtually all of the income gains going to the top and a significant portion (50%+-) of the debt reduction coming from foreclosures and bankruptcies, the income that supports this debt hasn&#8217;t changed much. Fabius Maximus makes a great point above about student loans (where&#8217;s the income that supports these?), but who&#8217;s watching the TBTF&#8217;s and who&#8217;s really taking on the additional risk?</p>
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		<title>By: Fabius Maximus</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/hair-of-the-dog-that-bit-ya/#comment-165792</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 14:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(1)  The G19 does not break out loans by purpose, only by holder.

(2) We know Federal education loans are rising, because those are the only type of Federal consumer loans.  Given what we know, its a reasonable deduction that student loans (all sources) are rising fast.  That&#039;s probably not good, given the estimates of high default rates.

(3)  Auto loans are probably rising along with auto sales, but the G19 gives little info on the magnitude.  But even so, other loans must be *decreasing*, since the total non-education is down almost 1/5 from 2007 and roughly flat YTD.  IMO, that&#039;s the key take-away from this data -- more important than the aggregate return of consumer loans to (almost) their 2008 peak.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1)  The G19 does not break out loans by purpose, only by holder.</p>
<p>(2) We know Federal education loans are rising, because those are the only type of Federal consumer loans.  Given what we know, its a reasonable deduction that student loans (all sources) are rising fast.  That&#8217;s probably not good, given the estimates of high default rates.</p>
<p>(3)  Auto loans are probably rising along with auto sales, but the G19 gives little info on the magnitude.  But even so, other loans must be *decreasing*, since the total non-education is down almost 1/5 from 2007 and roughly flat YTD.  IMO, that&#8217;s the key take-away from this data &#8212; more important than the aggregate return of consumer loans to (almost) their 2008 peak.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/hair-of-the-dog-that-bit-ya/#comment-165784</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 13:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People need jobs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People need jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Bernstein</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/hair-of-the-dog-that-bit-ya/#comment-165779</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 13:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Auto and student loans have been growing as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Auto and student loans have been growing as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabius Maximus</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/hair-of-the-dog-that-bit-ya/#comment-165774</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 13:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The YTD increase is almost entirely education loans by the Federal government.  Ex-ed, they were down MoM and since 2007.  That&#039;s bad, as many estimates of eventual default are 50%+.  Subprime 2.0.

US Consumer credit since 2007 and YoY, as of Q1 2012 (non-seasonally adjusted):
 
Type 	         2007 	        Q1-2011 	Q1-2012
Total 	        $2,555.3 	$2,401.9 	$2,522.2
Federal 	$   98.4 	$  355.2 	$  460.2
Non-Federal 	$2,456.9 	$2,046.7 	$2,062.0
 
 
Changes:
 
Type 	       since-2007 	YoY
Total 	        - 1.3% 	        5.0%
Federal 	367.7% 	       29.6%
Non-Federal 	-16.1% 	        0.7%
 
 
Notes:  
Loans by type are reported only non-seasonally adjusted.
All Federal loans on the G19 are education loans.
Not all education loans are from the Federal government.
 
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g19/current/default.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The YTD increase is almost entirely education loans by the Federal government.  Ex-ed, they were down MoM and since 2007.  That&#8217;s bad, as many estimates of eventual default are 50%+.  Subprime 2.0.</p>
<p>US Consumer credit since 2007 and YoY, as of Q1 2012 (non-seasonally adjusted):</p>
<p>Type 	         2007 	        Q1-2011 	Q1-2012<br />
Total 	        $2,555.3 	$2,401.9 	$2,522.2<br />
Federal 	$   98.4 	$  355.2 	$  460.2<br />
Non-Federal 	$2,456.9 	$2,046.7 	$2,062.0</p>
<p>Changes:</p>
<p>Type 	       since-2007 	YoY<br />
Total 	        &#8211; 1.3% 	        5.0%<br />
Federal 	367.7% 	       29.6%<br />
Non-Federal 	-16.1% 	        0.7%</p>
<p>Notes:<br />
Loans by type are reported only non-seasonally adjusted.<br />
All Federal loans on the G19 are education loans.<br />
Not all education loans are from the Federal government.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g19/current/default.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g19/current/default.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fred Donaldson</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/hair-of-the-dog-that-bit-ya/#comment-165772</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Donaldson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 13:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The growth in non-real estate consumer debt is caused in part by Americans switching from home credit lines (2nd mortgages) to credit cards and installment loans. 

As home prices drop, so do the available home equity loan amounts, forcing people out of borrowing tax free to borrowing with no tax deduction. This also adds to the real interest expense and forces higher borrowing amounts to equal the same net available loan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The growth in non-real estate consumer debt is caused in part by Americans switching from home credit lines (2nd mortgages) to credit cards and installment loans. </p>
<p>As home prices drop, so do the available home equity loan amounts, forcing people out of borrowing tax free to borrowing with no tax deduction. This also adds to the real interest expense and forces higher borrowing amounts to equal the same net available loan.</p>
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