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		<title>By: Th</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/more-on-cap-gains-and-investment/#comment-96221</link>
		<dc:creator>Th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 01:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the charts. Shows what I would have guessed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the charts. Shows what I would have guessed.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/more-on-cap-gains-and-investment/#comment-96150</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Capitalism is an economic system that seeks to concentrate wealth among private property owners - irrespective of whether the  property (ie, &#039;capital&#039;) takes the form of intellectual content, real estate, securities, or other forms. There is an obsession on &#039;capital&#039; as *the* primary generator of wealth.  

But as &quot;The Spirit Level&quot; shows, there are other factors than &#039;capital&#039; involved in wealth creation.  These include public goods like good public education, electricity, and other infrastructure -- as well as epherma like &#039;trust&#039; among social networks.

But there is nevertheless some strange obsession about &#039;capital&#039;s role&#039; in wealth creation, as if &#039;capital&#039; is the sole factor in generating wealth. 
But it isn&#039;t.
Which is why the whole hullaballoo around capital gains rates and the fear-mongering about what dire things will befall us all if those rates are lowered is intriguing.  What about &#039;wealth creation&#039; do these people not stop to consider...?

I take the fear of lower capital gains rates as a symptom that the financialization of the economy has produced a culture that is now so overwhelmingly obsessed with concentrating, managing, and manipulating &#039;capital&#039; that one explanation for lagging innovation and economic activity may be due to the obsessive attention to &#039;capital&#039; at the neglect of the social and physical infrastructure documented in &#039;The Spirit Level&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capitalism is an economic system that seeks to concentrate wealth among private property owners &#8211; irrespective of whether the  property (ie, &#8216;capital&#8217;) takes the form of intellectual content, real estate, securities, or other forms. There is an obsession on &#8216;capital&#8217; as *the* primary generator of wealth.  </p>
<p>But as &#8220;The Spirit Level&#8221; shows, there are other factors than &#8216;capital&#8217; involved in wealth creation.  These include public goods like good public education, electricity, and other infrastructure &#8212; as well as epherma like &#8216;trust&#8217; among social networks.</p>
<p>But there is nevertheless some strange obsession about &#8216;capital&#8217;s role&#8217; in wealth creation, as if &#8216;capital&#8217; is the sole factor in generating wealth.<br />
But it isn&#8217;t.<br />
Which is why the whole hullaballoo around capital gains rates and the fear-mongering about what dire things will befall us all if those rates are lowered is intriguing.  What about &#8216;wealth creation&#8217; do these people not stop to consider&#8230;?</p>
<p>I take the fear of lower capital gains rates as a symptom that the financialization of the economy has produced a culture that is now so overwhelmingly obsessed with concentrating, managing, and manipulating &#8216;capital&#8217; that one explanation for lagging innovation and economic activity may be due to the obsessive attention to &#8216;capital&#8217; at the neglect of the social and physical infrastructure documented in &#8216;The Spirit Level&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/more-on-cap-gains-and-investment/#comment-96149</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Capital Gains have nothing to do with taxes at the &quot;Corporate Level&quot;.  You are confusing that with Dividends.

Capital Gain/Loss is the money one makes on an investment -- house, securities, art, sole proprietorship, that kind of thing.  The money you invested in the first place to buy said item was taxed when you earned it.  And I believe that is true for corporations as well as people.  The difference between what you bought it for and what you sold it for is the Gain/Loss.  That money has never been taxed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capital Gains have nothing to do with taxes at the &#8220;Corporate Level&#8221;.  You are confusing that with Dividends.</p>
<p>Capital Gain/Loss is the money one makes on an investment &#8212; house, securities, art, sole proprietorship, that kind of thing.  The money you invested in the first place to buy said item was taxed when you earned it.  And I believe that is true for corporations as well as people.  The difference between what you bought it for and what you sold it for is the Gain/Loss.  That money has never been taxed.</p>
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		<title>By: save_the_rustbelt</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/more-on-cap-gains-and-investment/#comment-95972</link>
		<dc:creator>save_the_rustbelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Couple of thoughts:

Given globalization and changes in business models any data before about 1990 is really irrelevant to this question. Or perhaps 1987 is as far back as we should go.

By taxing long term capital gains at ordinary rates the government would be taxing inflation at ordinary rates - good for the government, bad for investors - a very quiet tax.

Hating on business is easy these days, but you also want business to crate jobs. Hate them or love them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of thoughts:</p>
<p>Given globalization and changes in business models any data before about 1990 is really irrelevant to this question. Or perhaps 1987 is as far back as we should go.</p>
<p>By taxing long term capital gains at ordinary rates the government would be taxing inflation at ordinary rates &#8211; good for the government, bad for investors &#8211; a very quiet tax.</p>
<p>Hating on business is easy these days, but you also want business to crate jobs. Hate them or love them?</p>
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		<title>By: Chigliakus</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/more-on-cap-gains-and-investment/#comment-95729</link>
		<dc:creator>Chigliakus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;Nuff said?  Look, either corporate taxes are passed on to employees and customers (the argument that always gets trotted out to justify the extremely low taxes corporations currently pay), or they&#039;re born entirely by the investors (as you suggest here).  Which is it?  You can&#039;t have it both ways.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Nuff said?  Look, either corporate taxes are passed on to employees and customers (the argument that always gets trotted out to justify the extremely low taxes corporations currently pay), or they&#8217;re born entirely by the investors (as you suggest here).  Which is it?  You can&#8217;t have it both ways.</p>
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		<title>By: aceroinox</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/more-on-cap-gains-and-investment/#comment-95710</link>
		<dc:creator>aceroinox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is not rocket science. The tax on capital gains is lower because those gains have already been taxed at the corporate level. &#039;Nuff said!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not rocket science. The tax on capital gains is lower because those gains have already been taxed at the corporate level. &#8216;Nuff said!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Schaut</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/more-on-cap-gains-and-investment/#comment-95641</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Schaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;And thus once again, we conclude the trickle down is BS...&quot;

Or, as the elder Galbraith might have said, the oats don&#039;t even pass through to the road for the sparrows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And thus once again, we conclude the trickle down is BS&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Or, as the elder Galbraith might have said, the oats don&#8217;t even pass through to the road for the sparrows.</p>
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		<title>By: MarvyT</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/more-on-cap-gains-and-investment/#comment-95534</link>
		<dc:creator>MarvyT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The logic behind a preferred rate for capital gains just doesn&#039;t pass any real world test. If I have $100,00 to invest I would look at the risk/reward ratio first. Why would an investor pass up a chance for a 10% gain (7.8%) after taxes rather than a 2% return on savings? The goal of investing for most people is to maximize returns. Not investing your money gives zero returns. So even a 28% rate on Cap gains will return more than a mattress. Options trading involves huge amounts of money but because they&#039;re short-term trades they are not eligible for preferred tax treatment. That certainly doesn&#039;t deter options trading. The federal government got it right in 1987 when the tax code was changed to treat all income the same - wages, capital gains, and dividends (I&#039;m sure there were some loopholes). Of course, lobbyists started working right away to undermine this equality and succeeded to distort the system the way it is today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The logic behind a preferred rate for capital gains just doesn&#8217;t pass any real world test. If I have $100,00 to invest I would look at the risk/reward ratio first. Why would an investor pass up a chance for a 10% gain (7.8%) after taxes rather than a 2% return on savings? The goal of investing for most people is to maximize returns. Not investing your money gives zero returns. So even a 28% rate on Cap gains will return more than a mattress. Options trading involves huge amounts of money but because they&#8217;re short-term trades they are not eligible for preferred tax treatment. That certainly doesn&#8217;t deter options trading. The federal government got it right in 1987 when the tax code was changed to treat all income the same &#8211; wages, capital gains, and dividends (I&#8217;m sure there were some loopholes). Of course, lobbyists started working right away to undermine this equality and succeeded to distort the system the way it is today.</p>
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