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		<title>By: Auros</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/pawlenty-to-bush-see-you-and-raise-you/#comment-3297</link>
		<dc:creator>Auros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is Pawlenty actually giving the rich refundable credits?  I thought at the current (Bush) rates, the ultra-rich were already paying less than 35% overall, with the very wealthiest paying barely more than the capital gains / dividends rate of 15% (since almost all of their income comes in that form).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Pawlenty actually giving the rich refundable credits?  I thought at the current (Bush) rates, the ultra-rich were already paying less than 35% overall, with the very wealthiest paying barely more than the capital gains / dividends rate of 15% (since almost all of their income comes in that form).</p>
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		<title>By: dsttexas</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/pawlenty-to-bush-see-you-and-raise-you/#comment-3198</link>
		<dc:creator>dsttexas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 02:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t agree with lessening the progressive taxes we have now, and think perhaps we need 1 or 2 more brackets on the high end to account for the increase in wealth and earnings of the top earners over the past 10 years or so.  Here&#039;s some more data (I think it&#039;s from 2008)

Top % of wage earners        Paid this per cent of total taxes rec&#039;d
       .1%                                      20%
      1%                                        37%
    10%                                        68%
    25%                                        85%
    50%                                        97%
And the bottom 47% paid zero taxes.  So that&#039;s pretty progressive by any standard, and has been for some time.  The problem is the current tax rates don&#039;t keep up with the shift in income from middle income to very high income.  A couple more tax brackets could help fix that.  Pawlenty&#039;s overall cuts are ridiculous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with lessening the progressive taxes we have now, and think perhaps we need 1 or 2 more brackets on the high end to account for the increase in wealth and earnings of the top earners over the past 10 years or so.  Here&#8217;s some more data (I think it&#8217;s from 2008)</p>
<p>Top % of wage earners        Paid this per cent of total taxes rec&#8217;d<br />
       .1%                                      20%<br />
      1%                                        37%<br />
    10%                                        68%<br />
    25%                                        85%<br />
    50%                                        97%<br />
And the bottom 47% paid zero taxes.  So that&#8217;s pretty progressive by any standard, and has been for some time.  The problem is the current tax rates don&#8217;t keep up with the shift in income from middle income to very high income.  A couple more tax brackets could help fix that.  Pawlenty&#8217;s overall cuts are ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: comma1</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/pawlenty-to-bush-see-you-and-raise-you/#comment-3176</link>
		<dc:creator>comma1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s right there in those numbers.  With the current slate of DINO&#039;s in the Whitehouse, that graph is sure to be reality soon.  You know what else that graph represents, a breaking point.  The state of economics in america, if not already broken, is near breaking.  As Colin Powell said, once you brake it, you own it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s right there in those numbers.  With the current slate of DINO&#8217;s in the Whitehouse, that graph is sure to be reality soon.  You know what else that graph represents, a breaking point.  The state of economics in america, if not already broken, is near breaking.  As Colin Powell said, once you brake it, you own it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/pawlenty-to-bush-see-you-and-raise-you/#comment-3171</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, well, we all know that cogent communication is sadly not on the Obama Administration&#039;s radar. :(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, well, we all know that cogent communication is sadly not on the Obama Administration&#8217;s radar. <img src='http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/pawlenty-to-bush-see-you-and-raise-you/#comment-3168</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really am not enjoying making myself obnoxious on JB&#039;s very nice blog, but just to better clarify:

Visually, when I look at those lines, it makes it &#039;seem like&#039; the lowest quintile contains &#039;about the same amount of people&#039; as the top 1%.  After all, those are equally sized bars there.

I realize that the point of this chart was to show the relative Bush-Pawlenty lucre heading to the stratosphere of the uberust amongst us, but still... that&#039;s kind of visually misleading.

Note also there is no real visual distinction **in terms of population, in terms of &#039;numbers of human critters&#039;** between the second quintile, or the top quintile or the top 1% or the top .1 percent.

We kind of &#039;appear&#039; to all be equal.  Population densities are all smooshed together, and therefore these do not really appear to be meaningful.

If I saw 1000 dots, and a few (like, ten of them for the top 1%) were about 20 times the diameter of all the rest, then I might get a clue.

Then measure the diameters of that .1% and wheeee!! The areas covered by those dots would really be even more revealing AND also you could have a better sense of the population distribution underlying that data.

You could even do a two-color graph of the dot concept; have the blue at as one layer atop the red &#039;Pawlenty&#039; layer.

Perhaps we might then all begin to grasp the relationships more accurately, rapidly, and cogently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really am not enjoying making myself obnoxious on JB&#8217;s very nice blog, but just to better clarify:</p>
<p>Visually, when I look at those lines, it makes it &#8216;seem like&#8217; the lowest quintile contains &#8216;about the same amount of people&#8217; as the top 1%.  After all, those are equally sized bars there.</p>
<p>I realize that the point of this chart was to show the relative Bush-Pawlenty lucre heading to the stratosphere of the uberust amongst us, but still&#8230; that&#8217;s kind of visually misleading.</p>
<p>Note also there is no real visual distinction **in terms of population, in terms of &#8216;numbers of human critters&#8217;** between the second quintile, or the top quintile or the top 1% or the top .1 percent.</p>
<p>We kind of &#8216;appear&#8217; to all be equal.  Population densities are all smooshed together, and therefore these do not really appear to be meaningful.</p>
<p>If I saw 1000 dots, and a few (like, ten of them for the top 1%) were about 20 times the diameter of all the rest, then I might get a clue.</p>
<p>Then measure the diameters of that .1% and wheeee!! The areas covered by those dots would really be even more revealing AND also you could have a better sense of the population distribution underlying that data.</p>
<p>You could even do a two-color graph of the dot concept; have the blue at as one layer atop the red &#8216;Pawlenty&#8217; layer.</p>
<p>Perhaps we might then all begin to grasp the relationships more accurately, rapidly, and cogently.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/pawlenty-to-bush-see-you-and-raise-you/#comment-3167</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, okay.  
I see the red lines wayyyy outpace the blue lines.

But what I don&#039;t get from this graph is how teensy-tinsy that whole 1/10th of 1% of the population is.

I suppose that if I had 100 dots (1 per 1/100th) that would be a start.

I would have to multiply by ten to get the 1/10th of 100.
So then, I&#039;d have 1000 dots.

So one dot in 1,000 would get... welll.... let&#039;s just say this graph would be more helpful for me if that ONE single dot was calculated in size relative to those other 999 dots.

Then, I might have a better grasp of why Pawlenty&#039;s so-called economics are knuckleheaded.  Plus, I wouldn&#039;t have to think too hard nor take 5 minutes to do the math and get a rough guestimate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, okay.<br />
I see the red lines wayyyy outpace the blue lines.</p>
<p>But what I don&#8217;t get from this graph is how teensy-tinsy that whole 1/10th of 1% of the population is.</p>
<p>I suppose that if I had 100 dots (1 per 1/100th) that would be a start.</p>
<p>I would have to multiply by ten to get the 1/10th of 100.<br />
So then, I&#8217;d have 1000 dots.</p>
<p>So one dot in 1,000 would get&#8230; welll&#8230;. let&#8217;s just say this graph would be more helpful for me if that ONE single dot was calculated in size relative to those other 999 dots.</p>
<p>Then, I might have a better grasp of why Pawlenty&#8217;s so-called economics are knuckleheaded.  Plus, I wouldn&#8217;t have to think too hard nor take 5 minutes to do the math and get a rough guestimate.</p>
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		<title>By: Chigliakus</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/pawlenty-to-bush-see-you-and-raise-you/#comment-3147</link>
		<dc:creator>Chigliakus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where&#039;s the populist outrage?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s the populist outrage?</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/pawlenty-to-bush-see-you-and-raise-you/#comment-3118</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pawlenty is just another Republican trying to cut away at our progressive tax system.

Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations, 1776: &quot;The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pawlenty is just another Republican trying to cut away at our progressive tax system.</p>
<p>Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations, 1776: &#8220;The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.&#8221;</p>
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