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		<title>By: On Inequality: Why Now? &#124; Jared Bernstein &#124; On the Economy</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/the-first-of-many-posts-on-inequality/#comment-62123</link>
		<dc:creator>On Inequality: Why Now? &#124; Jared Bernstein &#124; On the Economy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] [BTW, note the dip at the end of the series—2008 (these data are only available with a lag).  That’s a cyclical dip, a function of realized capital losses from when the bubble burst, just like what happened in the last downturn.  And as you can see, once the economy picked up again, inequality regained its momentum.  I predict the same pattern in this expansion—see figure on the bottom of this post.] [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] [BTW, note the dip at the end of the series—2008 (these data are only available with a lag).  That’s a cyclical dip, a function of realized capital losses from when the bubble burst, just like what happened in the last downturn.  And as you can see, once the economy picked up again, inequality regained its momentum.  I predict the same pattern in this expansion—see figure on the bottom of this post.] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Judd</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/the-first-of-many-posts-on-inequality/#comment-59372</link>
		<dc:creator>Judd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Several other articles here and elsewhere (e.g. Brad Delong&#039;s site) have covered the relative mobility in earnings in the US vs OECD. 

It is not what you are hoping. 

What we have is some from the upper 5% moving into the upper 1% but very few from the 85% can make it up to even the 5%.

We should not be proud of this; we should fix it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several other articles here and elsewhere (e.g. Brad Delong&#8217;s site) have covered the relative mobility in earnings in the US vs OECD. </p>
<p>It is not what you are hoping. </p>
<p>What we have is some from the upper 5% moving into the upper 1% but very few from the 85% can make it up to even the 5%.</p>
<p>We should not be proud of this; we should fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/the-first-of-many-posts-on-inequality/#comment-59146</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;share of income to 1%&quot; chart is misleading as it does not depict a steady cohort over time, as in you are not tracking the income of the top 1% of the population in 1979 over time.

Doing that is important because of the tremendous diffusion across these categories. Llyod Blankfein, Joh Paulson, and George Soros, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs etc were not in the 1% bucket in 1979. The fact that they got there speaks more to the American system rather than the fact that the share of the 1% is rising. As long as the 1% is not a static entity, and there is constant churn in that population, the country is not becoming a plutocracy. It is a vibrant economy instead. 

That is something to be proud of, not beaten down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;share of income to 1%&#8221; chart is misleading as it does not depict a steady cohort over time, as in you are not tracking the income of the top 1% of the population in 1979 over time.</p>
<p>Doing that is important because of the tremendous diffusion across these categories. Llyod Blankfein, Joh Paulson, and George Soros, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs etc were not in the 1% bucket in 1979. The fact that they got there speaks more to the American system rather than the fact that the share of the 1% is rising. As long as the 1% is not a static entity, and there is constant churn in that population, the country is not becoming a plutocracy. It is a vibrant economy instead. </p>
<p>That is something to be proud of, not beaten down.</p>
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		<title>By: jmmx</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/the-first-of-many-posts-on-inequality/#comment-59025</link>
		<dc:creator>jmmx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@readerof…
Look - I do not like the financial bailout any more than you do. The question unfortunately, is not whether I LIKE it or not, but whether we had any alternative or not.

Personally (as a middle class guy with a few dollars in stocks) I believe that both Bush and Obama saw that they had no choice at all but to do the bailout to avert a depression that would have at least equaled that of the 30s. The banks had indeed become too big to fail, and if we had not bailed them out then we would be in much much worse shape than we are right now.

I should like to point out that this is (in large part) a direct result of the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act that repealed the separation of commercial and investment banking provisions of the  Glass–Steagall Act of 1933. (Please note that all the sponsors and promoters of this bill were Republicans) During debate in the House of Representatives, Rep. John Dingell (Democrat of Michigan) argued that the bill would result in banks becoming &quot;too big to fail.&quot; Dingell further argued that this would necessarily result in a bailout by the Federal Government.
See:  http://youtu.be/y2RzRv8yQXQ

Just as in the Savings &amp; Loan bailout was enabled by mindless deregulation during the Reagan administration, the repeal of the Glass-Steagle provisions were key to the current recession.

 To my mind, the Tea Party and neo-concervative folks just want to return to more of the wild-west uber-deregulation that 
has caused this recession.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@readerof…<br />
Look &#8211; I do not like the financial bailout any more than you do. The question unfortunately, is not whether I LIKE it or not, but whether we had any alternative or not.</p>
<p>Personally (as a middle class guy with a few dollars in stocks) I believe that both Bush and Obama saw that they had no choice at all but to do the bailout to avert a depression that would have at least equaled that of the 30s. The banks had indeed become too big to fail, and if we had not bailed them out then we would be in much much worse shape than we are right now.</p>
<p>I should like to point out that this is (in large part) a direct result of the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act that repealed the separation of commercial and investment banking provisions of the  Glass–Steagall Act of 1933. (Please note that all the sponsors and promoters of this bill were Republicans) During debate in the House of Representatives, Rep. John Dingell (Democrat of Michigan) argued that the bill would result in banks becoming &#8220;too big to fail.&#8221; Dingell further argued that this would necessarily result in a bailout by the Federal Government.<br />
See:  <a href="http://youtu.be/y2RzRv8yQXQ" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/y2RzRv8yQXQ</a></p>
<p>Just as in the Savings &amp; Loan bailout was enabled by mindless deregulation during the Reagan administration, the repeal of the Glass-Steagle provisions were key to the current recession.</p>
<p> To my mind, the Tea Party and neo-concervative folks just want to return to more of the wild-west uber-deregulation that<br />
has caused this recession.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/the-first-of-many-posts-on-inequality/#comment-58540</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just landed on a link (via Ritholtz&#039;s Big Picture) that speaks very much to this post.

http://news.yahoo.com/top-0-1-nation-earn-half-capital-gains-172647859.html

There is some good data in the article, and this is one of the money quotes:  &lt;em&gt; &quot;Income and wealth disparities  become even more  absurd  if we look at the top 0.1% of the nation&#039;s earners-- rather than the more common 1%. The top 0.1%--  about 315,000 individuals out of 315 million--  are making about half of all capital gains on the sale of shares or property after 1 year; and these capital gains make up 60% of the income made by the Forbes 400.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; [article is dated 21 Nov 2011]

On what basis, in a world of copy-paste duplication, does &#039;capital gains&#039; get such tender treatment in the tax code? Ritholtz has a blog post pointing out that in 1997, one dollar invested in Amazon would be $140 today.  And $1 in Webvan would be worth $0 today.  I can say with relative certainty that the people making $10/hr (or whatever) working in Amazon&#039;s warehouse are **not** the ones benefitting from that stock price.  And I&#039;m pretty sure they are *not* unionized.

This whole capital gains tax status is also messing up business structures, as people would rather goose their stock prices than focus on long term success in the business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just landed on a link (via Ritholtz&#8217;s Big Picture) that speaks very much to this post.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/top-0-1-nation-earn-half-capital-gains-172647859.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/top-0-1-nation-earn-half-capital-gains-172647859.html</a></p>
<p>There is some good data in the article, and this is one of the money quotes:  <em> &#8220;Income and wealth disparities  become even more  absurd  if we look at the top 0.1% of the nation&#8217;s earners&#8211; rather than the more common 1%. The top 0.1%&#8211;  about 315,000 individuals out of 315 million&#8211;  are making about half of all capital gains on the sale of shares or property after 1 year; and these capital gains make up 60% of the income made by the Forbes 400.&#8221;</em> [article is dated 21 Nov 2011]</p>
<p>On what basis, in a world of copy-paste duplication, does &#8216;capital gains&#8217; get such tender treatment in the tax code? Ritholtz has a blog post pointing out that in 1997, one dollar invested in Amazon would be $140 today.  And $1 in Webvan would be worth $0 today.  I can say with relative certainty that the people making $10/hr (or whatever) working in Amazon&#8217;s warehouse are **not** the ones benefitting from that stock price.  And I&#8217;m pretty sure they are *not* unionized.</p>
<p>This whole capital gains tax status is also messing up business structures, as people would rather goose their stock prices than focus on long term success in the business.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/the-first-of-many-posts-on-inequality/#comment-58389</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Inequality has arisen due to the diminishment of unions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inequality has arisen due to the diminishment of unions.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/the-first-of-many-posts-on-inequality/#comment-58125</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 02:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not able to locate that fabulous, fantastic graph that shows the explosion of government debt showing the unpaid for wars, the TARP bailout (in light blue, IIRC), and other sources of debt from 1999 forward overlaid onto parts of the graph shown here.

Part of my beef is this: who got all that TARP money?!
Well, the financial sector did.  And where do we see the 1% income spike?  In part, it&#039;s in the financial sector.
IMVHO, what part of this graph reveals is the financialization of the US economy.  How much of that 277% income increase was generated partly from TARP payouts for CDSs on CDOs?

As for inequality, people seem to think that post-1980s computerization is just industrialization with a twist, and that capital functions the very same way.  But IMVHO, this is a deep misunderstanding.

A steam engine was not capable of replicating itself and making another new steam engine; but copy-paste creates a whole new kind of economic model.  Yet government, in its knuckleheadedness, treats digital wealth as if it were the old industrial &#039;capital&#039; used to create steel mills and railroads.  In fact, digital capital does **not** work this way -- yet we let the 1% get all the capital gains, as if we were back in the 1880s.  Sheesh!

I&#039;d really be interested in the overlay and interplay between the 1% gains and TARP bailouts, along with a better teasing out of the impact of computerization post 1980s, which is where we see the inequalities really start to accelerate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not able to locate that fabulous, fantastic graph that shows the explosion of government debt showing the unpaid for wars, the TARP bailout (in light blue, IIRC), and other sources of debt from 1999 forward overlaid onto parts of the graph shown here.</p>
<p>Part of my beef is this: who got all that TARP money?!<br />
Well, the financial sector did.  And where do we see the 1% income spike?  In part, it&#8217;s in the financial sector.<br />
IMVHO, what part of this graph reveals is the financialization of the US economy.  How much of that 277% income increase was generated partly from TARP payouts for CDSs on CDOs?</p>
<p>As for inequality, people seem to think that post-1980s computerization is just industrialization with a twist, and that capital functions the very same way.  But IMVHO, this is a deep misunderstanding.</p>
<p>A steam engine was not capable of replicating itself and making another new steam engine; but copy-paste creates a whole new kind of economic model.  Yet government, in its knuckleheadedness, treats digital wealth as if it were the old industrial &#8216;capital&#8217; used to create steel mills and railroads.  In fact, digital capital does **not** work this way &#8212; yet we let the 1% get all the capital gains, as if we were back in the 1880s.  Sheesh!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d really be interested in the overlay and interplay between the 1% gains and TARP bailouts, along with a better teasing out of the impact of computerization post 1980s, which is where we see the inequalities really start to accelerate.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Supak</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/the-first-of-many-posts-on-inequality/#comment-58006</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Supak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would love to see productivity on that chart, as it seems wages departed from productivity for everyone but the rich, starting with Reagan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see productivity on that chart, as it seems wages departed from productivity for everyone but the rich, starting with Reagan.</p>
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