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	<title>Comments on: The NYT and the Causes of the Income Slump</title>
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		<title>By: Misaki</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/the-nyt-and-the-causes-of-the-income-slump/#comment-277350</link>
		<dc:creator>Misaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;So please, NYT—add it to the list so people can vote for it!

It&#039;s too obvious. It would be like asking how to reduce military spending, and including on the list &quot;achieve world peace&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;So please, NYT—add it to the list so people can vote for it!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too obvious. It would be like asking how to reduce military spending, and including on the list &#8220;achieve world peace&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Misaki</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/the-nyt-and-the-causes-of-the-income-slump/#comment-277332</link>
		<dc:creator>Misaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Considering the apathy people have about expressing a desire to earn more money with the decline in labour unions (for example, http://philebersole.wordpress.com/2012/06/12/the-decline-of-american-labor-unions/) the disconnect of wages from productivity is probably more likely due to this weakening of group bargaining power.

This would be why wages continued to increase during the stagflation of the 1970&#039;s when unemployment was high.

So that means it isn&#039;t as easy to show with a chart divided into two historical periods but the relationship between high employment and wage growth still exists, after all that&#039;s why the concept of the &#039;natural rate of unemployment&#039; exists at all since in economics it is thought that inflation is only good when it leads to higher employment and (real) &quot;growth&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering the apathy people have about expressing a desire to earn more money with the decline in labour unions (for example, <a href="http://philebersole.wordpress.com/2012/06/12/the-decline-of-american-labor-unions/" rel="nofollow">http://philebersole.wordpress.com/2012/06/12/the-decline-of-american-labor-unions/</a>) the disconnect of wages from productivity is probably more likely due to this weakening of group bargaining power.</p>
<p>This would be why wages continued to increase during the stagflation of the 1970&#8242;s when unemployment was high.</p>
<p>So that means it isn&#8217;t as easy to show with a chart divided into two historical periods but the relationship between high employment and wage growth still exists, after all that&#8217;s why the concept of the &#8216;natural rate of unemployment&#8217; exists at all since in economics it is thought that inflation is only good when it leads to higher employment and (real) &#8220;growth&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: oli3</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/the-nyt-and-the-causes-of-the-income-slump/#comment-277114</link>
		<dc:creator>oli3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t remember where I read this, but I remember thinking it seemed right. 

Paraphrasing:

In the 80&#039;s, a higher share of GDP began to move to capital and away from employee compensation.

This was to explain why after thirty or so years of average family income following close to the GDP line on the graph, it began to flatten in the 80s, 90s, and 00s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t remember where I read this, but I remember thinking it seemed right. </p>
<p>Paraphrasing:</p>
<p>In the 80&#8242;s, a higher share of GDP began to move to capital and away from employee compensation.</p>
<p>This was to explain why after thirty or so years of average family income following close to the GDP line on the graph, it began to flatten in the 80s, 90s, and 00s.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Donaldson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Donaldson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The more workers - elderly, immigrants, spouses - the more potential competition for jobs, and the lower the wage rates.

I recall in the 70s we received a couple letters a week asking for jobs as reporters, and we hired folks at minimum wage with no raises for a year. They were happy, because so many were looking for experience to put on their resume for the next job up the ladder.

Thirty years later, nobody seems anxious to get into the newspaper business, and so there are no requests for jobs, and we actually have to pay a living wage. Smaller labor pool once again equals higher remuneration.

On the other hand, it used to be tough to get ad sales reps. Now, they are a dime a dozen - because it is a lower skilled job that nearly anyone can learn (up to a point).

Fewer factories have also diminished the number of good, lower skilled jobs, and destruction of unions has allowed replacement workers at lower wages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more workers &#8211; elderly, immigrants, spouses &#8211; the more potential competition for jobs, and the lower the wage rates.</p>
<p>I recall in the 70s we received a couple letters a week asking for jobs as reporters, and we hired folks at minimum wage with no raises for a year. They were happy, because so many were looking for experience to put on their resume for the next job up the ladder.</p>
<p>Thirty years later, nobody seems anxious to get into the newspaper business, and so there are no requests for jobs, and we actually have to pay a living wage. Smaller labor pool once again equals higher remuneration.</p>
<p>On the other hand, it used to be tough to get ad sales reps. Now, they are a dime a dozen &#8211; because it is a lower skilled job that nearly anyone can learn (up to a point).</p>
<p>Fewer factories have also diminished the number of good, lower skilled jobs, and destruction of unions has allowed replacement workers at lower wages.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Bernstein</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/the-nyt-and-the-causes-of-the-income-slump/#comment-276450</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 02:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the mechanics analogy and, in fact, inflation and employment growth are, of course interdependent forces.  Clearly, a higher inflation target would help as your comment suggests but most (not all) members have said they don&#039;t want to go there, including Big Ben.  Part of this is just an anti-inflation bias, part are worries about shutting it down if it gets out of hand, I think--i.e., once you&#039;ve changed inflationary expectations, it&#039;s allegedly hard to change them back.  I&#039;m skeptical--with rates so low and the Fed portfolio so flush, there&#039;s a lot they could do to reduce inflation if it showed up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the mechanics analogy and, in fact, inflation and employment growth are, of course interdependent forces.  Clearly, a higher inflation target would help as your comment suggests but most (not all) members have said they don&#8217;t want to go there, including Big Ben.  Part of this is just an anti-inflation bias, part are worries about shutting it down if it gets out of hand, I think&#8211;i.e., once you&#8217;ve changed inflationary expectations, it&#8217;s allegedly hard to change them back.  I&#8217;m skeptical&#8211;with rates so low and the Fed portfolio so flush, there&#8217;s a lot they could do to reduce inflation if it showed up.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in MN</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/the-nyt-and-the-causes-of-the-income-slump/#comment-276408</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom in MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 01:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve previously convinced me of the negative effects of not being at full employment on wage growth and equality.  It seems to me that by having an inflation target of 2% the FED is deciding to never reach full employment.  We are bouncing along at 2% inflation (mostly driven by commodities and population growth it seems) with almost no wage growth.  Inflation and employment are coupled through the economy and the FED can aim for a value of one of them and then see what the other value takes*, but it has a mandate to try to control both of them.

Thus if they pick too low an inflation target we will end up having too much unemployment.  Hence my question:  Is a 2% inflation target too low to consistently reach full employment?  And thus is the success of the FED in hitting this target at least partly to blame for the rise in inequality?

* In my field (mechanics) there are force and displacement: you get to specify one and then the system deformation tells you the other one.  Apply a force, see what displacement you get; or make a displacement and see what force is needed.  If you try to specify both you only get what you want if you happen to know exactly how the system will deform already.  The multiple solutions possible in a nonlinear system like the economy complicate this somewhat but there are similar issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve previously convinced me of the negative effects of not being at full employment on wage growth and equality.  It seems to me that by having an inflation target of 2% the FED is deciding to never reach full employment.  We are bouncing along at 2% inflation (mostly driven by commodities and population growth it seems) with almost no wage growth.  Inflation and employment are coupled through the economy and the FED can aim for a value of one of them and then see what the other value takes*, but it has a mandate to try to control both of them.</p>
<p>Thus if they pick too low an inflation target we will end up having too much unemployment.  Hence my question:  Is a 2% inflation target too low to consistently reach full employment?  And thus is the success of the FED in hitting this target at least partly to blame for the rise in inequality?</p>
<p>* In my field (mechanics) there are force and displacement: you get to specify one and then the system deformation tells you the other one.  Apply a force, see what displacement you get; or make a displacement and see what force is needed.  If you try to specify both you only get what you want if you happen to know exactly how the system will deform already.  The multiple solutions possible in a nonlinear system like the economy complicate this somewhat but there are similar issues.</p>
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		<title>By: save_the_rustbelt</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/the-nyt-and-the-causes-of-the-income-slump/#comment-276360</link>
		<dc:creator>save_the_rustbelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since the passage of NAFTA &quot;free trade&quot; (a dubious name at best) has gutted the rustbelt, compounded by the mistakes of the Big 3 and the UAW.

Maybe this region will recover in 30 or 40 years. Maybe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the passage of NAFTA &#8220;free trade&#8221; (a dubious name at best) has gutted the rustbelt, compounded by the mistakes of the Big 3 and the UAW.</p>
<p>Maybe this region will recover in 30 or 40 years. Maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: rjs</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/the-nyt-and-the-causes-of-the-income-slump/#comment-276263</link>
		<dc:creator>rjs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the NYT article didnt include the predisposition of the rentier class to put the rest of us into slavery...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the NYT article didnt include the predisposition of the rentier class to put the rest of us into slavery&#8230;</p>
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