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		<title>By: Jeff Joseph</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/wapo-way-off-on-social-security/#comment-230687</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 04:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can it be considered welfare if you pay Taxes to earn your benefits. Are we talking in English ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can it be considered welfare if you pay Taxes to earn your benefits. Are we talking in English ?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Joseph</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/wapo-way-off-on-social-security/#comment-230685</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 04:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent post thanx. Kevin Phillips in his book Bad Money said SSA benefits are 30% less than what they should be because of what Bush Sr did in 92 to our Cola Calculation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post thanx. Kevin Phillips in his book Bad Money said SSA benefits are 30% less than what they should be because of what Bush Sr did in 92 to our Cola Calculation.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bloomer</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/wapo-way-off-on-social-security/#comment-151345</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bloomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent points. I&#039;d not actually considered this before: we&#039;re in essence begging the question about soc-sec. It&#039;s about financing it, certainly, bute more so it&#039;s about whether our benefit structure is at all realistic or just. Thanks for this, Mike]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points. I&#8217;d not actually considered this before: we&#8217;re in essence begging the question about soc-sec. It&#8217;s about financing it, certainly, bute more so it&#8217;s about whether our benefit structure is at all realistic or just. Thanks for this, Mike</p>
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		<title>By: urban legend</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/wapo-way-off-on-social-security/#comment-148738</link>
		<dc:creator>urban legend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Coberly, 

You may be right about the wisdom of that if it could be sold as a way of taking the subject off the table -- the political football table, that is, because I agree that because our official way of projecting future financial viability shows a potential problem, we must continue watching carefully and preparing contingency plans.

Whatever approach is taken -- that it does not belong in our discussions at all right now (as I originally suggested) or that we can make some very modest payroll tax increases now (or beginning when, say, unemployment drops below 6%) to make it more certain we never have a problem) -- there will be attacks from those who have doubled down on the need for &quot;entitlement reform.&quot; It will have to be supported by a firm commitment to long term defense against those attacks, a determination to paint the attackers into a corner as out-of-touch opponents of what Americans want. I haven&#039;t seen a willingness or ability of any liberals or progressives in office to paint anyone into a corner, especially not the so-called Beltway Centrists who are most wedded to undermining Social Security. The Democrats seem to be very afraid of those VSPs (Very Serious People) as they are sometimes called.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coberly, </p>
<p>You may be right about the wisdom of that if it could be sold as a way of taking the subject off the table &#8212; the political football table, that is, because I agree that because our official way of projecting future financial viability shows a potential problem, we must continue watching carefully and preparing contingency plans.</p>
<p>Whatever approach is taken &#8212; that it does not belong in our discussions at all right now (as I originally suggested) or that we can make some very modest payroll tax increases now (or beginning when, say, unemployment drops below 6%) to make it more certain we never have a problem) &#8212; there will be attacks from those who have doubled down on the need for &#8220;entitlement reform.&#8221; It will have to be supported by a firm commitment to long term defense against those attacks, a determination to paint the attackers into a corner as out-of-touch opponents of what Americans want. I haven&#8217;t seen a willingness or ability of any liberals or progressives in office to paint anyone into a corner, especially not the so-called Beltway Centrists who are most wedded to undermining Social Security. The Democrats seem to be very afraid of those VSPs (Very Serious People) as they are sometimes called.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Levit</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/wapo-way-off-on-social-security/#comment-148563</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Levit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Coberly:
I did not say the U.S. was not indebted to paying off the loans.
I am merely saying that when the trust fund is tapped, the financial dynamics is the same as when the trust fund is exhausted:  new general revenues must be raised, for the trust fund does not represent a store of wealth, but promises that are paid back on a pay-as-you-go basis, not promises paid back with a &quot;sinking fund&quot; already pre-funded.
From a paper entitled Fiscal Year 2013 Analytical Perspectives, Budget of the U.S. Government:
Page 66 &quot;As a result of reforms legislated in 1983, Social Security had been running a cash surplus with taxes exceeding costs up until 2009.  The surplus in the Social Security trust fund helped to hold down the unified budget deficit.  
The cash surplus ended in 2009.&quot;
Page 69  &quot;The debt securities are assets of the funds but are a liability of the general fund to the funds that hold the securities.  These balances generally provide the fund with authority to draw upon the U.S. Trasury in later years to make future payments on its behalf to the public.&quot;
Drawing upon the Treasury is the way we pay all government expenditures, whether from a trust fund or for example, Medicaid beneficiaries.
With the trust fund running a cash flow deficit since 2009, the draws from the Treasury have already begun, with an immediate expense, and raising the deficit.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/spec.pdf.
Don Levit]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coberly:<br />
I did not say the U.S. was not indebted to paying off the loans.<br />
I am merely saying that when the trust fund is tapped, the financial dynamics is the same as when the trust fund is exhausted:  new general revenues must be raised, for the trust fund does not represent a store of wealth, but promises that are paid back on a pay-as-you-go basis, not promises paid back with a &#8220;sinking fund&#8221; already pre-funded.<br />
From a paper entitled Fiscal Year 2013 Analytical Perspectives, Budget of the U.S. Government:<br />
Page 66 &#8220;As a result of reforms legislated in 1983, Social Security had been running a cash surplus with taxes exceeding costs up until 2009.  The surplus in the Social Security trust fund helped to hold down the unified budget deficit.<br />
The cash surplus ended in 2009.&#8221;<br />
Page 69  &#8220;The debt securities are assets of the funds but are a liability of the general fund to the funds that hold the securities.  These balances generally provide the fund with authority to draw upon the U.S. Trasury in later years to make future payments on its behalf to the public.&#8221;<br />
Drawing upon the Treasury is the way we pay all government expenditures, whether from a trust fund or for example, Medicaid beneficiaries.<br />
With the trust fund running a cash flow deficit since 2009, the draws from the Treasury have already begun, with an immediate expense, and raising the deficit.<br />
<a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/spec.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/spec.pdf</a>.<br />
Don Levit</p>
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		<title>By: ComradeAnon</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/wapo-way-off-on-social-security/#comment-148182</link>
		<dc:creator>ComradeAnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The cap is around $110,000 now. After a few years of $107,000. That&#039;s not a very high limit. Probably hasn&#039;t kept up with income gains. I wonder how much an increase to only $150,000 would affect things. Plus, based on articles written about people struggling on $250,000 a year, they&#039;ll need Social Security.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cap is around $110,000 now. After a few years of $107,000. That&#8217;s not a very high limit. Probably hasn&#8217;t kept up with income gains. I wonder how much an increase to only $150,000 would affect things. Plus, based on articles written about people struggling on $250,000 a year, they&#8217;ll need Social Security.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Almquist</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/wapo-way-off-on-social-security/#comment-148156</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth Almquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 22:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The projection that Social Security trust funds will be exhausted in 2036 is one of three projections generated by the Trustees.  Another projection (the &quot;high cost&quot; scenario) uses more pessimistic assumptions shows the trust funds being exhausted about five years earlier.  A third (the &quot;low cost&quot; scenario) uses more optimistic assumptions, has the trust fund solvent and growing 70 years from now.

In other words, there is a good chance that the Social Security trust funds will eventually run out of money (forcing a reduction in benefits) if no changes are made to the program, but it&#039;s not a certainty.  One defensible approach to reforming Social Security is to leave it alone as long as the projections don&#039;t make it clear whether any changes are needed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The projection that Social Security trust funds will be exhausted in 2036 is one of three projections generated by the Trustees.  Another projection (the &#8220;high cost&#8221; scenario) uses more pessimistic assumptions shows the trust funds being exhausted about five years earlier.  A third (the &#8220;low cost&#8221; scenario) uses more optimistic assumptions, has the trust fund solvent and growing 70 years from now.</p>
<p>In other words, there is a good chance that the Social Security trust funds will eventually run out of money (forcing a reduction in benefits) if no changes are made to the program, but it&#8217;s not a certainty.  One defensible approach to reforming Social Security is to leave it alone as long as the projections don&#8217;t make it clear whether any changes are needed.</p>
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		<title>By: coberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>coberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[stuart

structuring it as welfare would not work in America.  we have long political history of hating welfare and cutting it to the bone and beyond.

and the workers have absorbed the ethic.

even I think we are better off if we pay for it ourselves.  directly and transparently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stuart</p>
<p>structuring it as welfare would not work in America.  we have long political history of hating welfare and cutting it to the bone and beyond.</p>
<p>and the workers have absorbed the ethic.</p>
<p>even I think we are better off if we pay for it ourselves.  directly and transparently.</p>
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		<title>By: coberly</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/wapo-way-off-on-social-security/#comment-148074</link>
		<dc:creator>coberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[urban

i agree.  l am author of &quot;plan&quot; to raise payroll tax one tenth of one percent WHENEVER the ten year forecast is that the Trust Fund will fall below the one year reserve.  it would be easy enough to include in the plan a requirement to lower the tax should the Trust Fund (after 2040) exceed, say 300% of one year&#039;s reserves.

but it would be foolish to, for example, not raise the payroll tax one half of one tenth of one percent now and each year until the &quot;actual future&quot; is more evident.  no one would feel the raise, and it would &quot;fund&quot; SS forever, and so presumably shut up the Liars.

if it overshoots, that can be corrected very timely with no disruption to anyone or anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>urban</p>
<p>i agree.  l am author of &#8220;plan&#8221; to raise payroll tax one tenth of one percent WHENEVER the ten year forecast is that the Trust Fund will fall below the one year reserve.  it would be easy enough to include in the plan a requirement to lower the tax should the Trust Fund (after 2040) exceed, say 300% of one year&#8217;s reserves.</p>
<p>but it would be foolish to, for example, not raise the payroll tax one half of one tenth of one percent now and each year until the &#8220;actual future&#8221; is more evident.  no one would feel the raise, and it would &#8220;fund&#8221; SS forever, and so presumably shut up the Liars.</p>
<p>if it overshoots, that can be corrected very timely with no disruption to anyone or anything.</p>
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		<title>By: coberly</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/wapo-way-off-on-social-security/#comment-148068</link>
		<dc:creator>coberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Levit

you still seem to have trouble with the idea of paying your debts.  the money the treasury borrowed from SS needs to be paid back just as if they had borrowed it from China or Pete Peterson.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Levit</p>
<p>you still seem to have trouble with the idea of paying your debts.  the money the treasury borrowed from SS needs to be paid back just as if they had borrowed it from China or Pete Peterson.</p>
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