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	<title>Comments on: Wealth, Leverage, and Bargaining Power: Another Compelling Model of the Impact of Inequality</title>
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		<title>By: Tord Steiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tord Steiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 14:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for a truly interesting and thought provoking post. Following, I have a few questions:

1. Do you think a similar model could be developed were certain countries plays the role of the big savers, and certain other (stagnating?) countries plays the role as the big borrowers?

2. You mention the bargaining power of the middle class. Norwegian professor Karl Ove Moene (among many others, of course) have written interesting papers about equality and bargaining power in Norway and other Scandinavian countries. (A brief summary of the work, originally published in the World Bank development outreach series, is available here: http://www.frisch.uio.no/pdf/TheScandinavianModelandEconomicDevelopment.pdf) However, it appears that this work have received little attention internationally, both from the economics profession and from political circles, including the #Occupy campaigns. Do you have any idea why that is? (I have potential answer: The direct challenge to elite interests that the model poses.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for a truly interesting and thought provoking post. Following, I have a few questions:</p>
<p>1. Do you think a similar model could be developed were certain countries plays the role of the big savers, and certain other (stagnating?) countries plays the role as the big borrowers?</p>
<p>2. You mention the bargaining power of the middle class. Norwegian professor Karl Ove Moene (among many others, of course) have written interesting papers about equality and bargaining power in Norway and other Scandinavian countries. (A brief summary of the work, originally published in the World Bank development outreach series, is available here: <a href="http://www.frisch.uio.no/pdf/TheScandinavianModelandEconomicDevelopment.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.frisch.uio.no/pdf/TheScandinavianModelandEconomicDevelopment.pdf</a>) However, it appears that this work have received little attention internationally, both from the economics profession and from political circles, including the #Occupy campaigns. Do you have any idea why that is? (I have potential answer: The direct challenge to elite interests that the model poses.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Bernstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared Bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 00:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like it--sort of the international relative of the model in my post.  The only thing I&#039;m not sure about is &quot;domestic demand is down.&quot;  That part doesn&#039;t ring true--we had lots of trade in the 1990s and demand was strong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it&#8211;sort of the international relative of the model in my post.  The only thing I&#8217;m not sure about is &#8220;domestic demand is down.&#8221;  That part doesn&#8217;t ring true&#8211;we had lots of trade in the 1990s and demand was strong.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Cantlon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Cantlon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 22:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jared, let me try a variation on your explanation and tell me where it goes wrong. Chinese workers flood labor. Workers get paid less but companies are making more both because of paying less and selling to overseas markets. Those increased profits can&#039;t go into much more production because domestic demand is down (and what there is is more debt funded). The increased profits/capital looks for somewhere to go other than production. There&#039;s always financial innovation but it pays off more in a fertile market so big money goes into expanding finance and fighting regs. All of your indicators result. Financial system grows. Wages stagnate. Inequality grows. Leveraging grows. Also demand shrinks. The bubble pops. All of the above amplifies a bubble into a nuclear bomb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared, let me try a variation on your explanation and tell me where it goes wrong. Chinese workers flood labor. Workers get paid less but companies are making more both because of paying less and selling to overseas markets. Those increased profits can&#8217;t go into much more production because domestic demand is down (and what there is is more debt funded). The increased profits/capital looks for somewhere to go other than production. There&#8217;s always financial innovation but it pays off more in a fertile market so big money goes into expanding finance and fighting regs. All of your indicators result. Financial system grows. Wages stagnate. Inequality grows. Leveraging grows. Also demand shrinks. The bubble pops. All of the above amplifies a bubble into a nuclear bomb.</p>
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		<title>By: perplexed</title>
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		<dc:creator>perplexed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 16:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;–Factors outside the model lead to income stagnation for middle and low-income workers, while high-income households acquire more capital assets.   This increases the savings of wealthy households relative to lower-income households.&quot;

Great stuff Jared! We need more models that pick up on the wealth concentration leading to income concentration leading to more wealth concentration cycle. Demand for increased borrowing plays a huge role. But why doesn&#039;t the increased risk of lending based on increased debt/income ratio show up in the cost of borrowing? Doesn&#039;t the risk seeking behavior of the lenders have to be increasing as they become more wealthy to keep the price from increasing? If they were risk neutral, the cost of borrowing should increase as the risk does shouldn&#039;t it?

And isn&#039;t this just another effect of differing MPC&#039;s that Keynes focused on as playing such an important role? Why is there so little discussion of this in recent economics? Has the effect of differing MPC&#039;s been empirically shown to be something we can ignore like we did with our last &quot;stimulus&quot; spending?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;–Factors outside the model lead to income stagnation for middle and low-income workers, while high-income households acquire more capital assets.   This increases the savings of wealthy households relative to lower-income households.&#8221;</p>
<p>Great stuff Jared! We need more models that pick up on the wealth concentration leading to income concentration leading to more wealth concentration cycle. Demand for increased borrowing plays a huge role. But why doesn&#8217;t the increased risk of lending based on increased debt/income ratio show up in the cost of borrowing? Doesn&#8217;t the risk seeking behavior of the lenders have to be increasing as they become more wealthy to keep the price from increasing? If they were risk neutral, the cost of borrowing should increase as the risk does shouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>And isn&#8217;t this just another effect of differing MPC&#8217;s that Keynes focused on as playing such an important role? Why is there so little discussion of this in recent economics? Has the effect of differing MPC&#8217;s been empirically shown to be something we can ignore like we did with our last &#8220;stimulus&#8221; spending?</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 11:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You may be interested in a much more basic model that suggests the link goes in the other direction, increased debt (due to financial deregulation) directly worsens income distribution.

Inequality is the consequence of a multiplicative process of returns to capital that results in wealth condensation. This is easily captured in a dynamic statistical model.

Debt is key to influencing both detailed distribution of income and wealth, and also the split between returns to labour and capital; the ‘Bowley Ratio’.

The solution to the problem is to move capital into the hands of poorer people via some form of compulsory saving. This could be acheived using a variation on the Chicago/Chile/Singapore style pension system, but applicable to all ages.

For more background information try googling “why money trickles up” or “the Bowley Ratio” or try:

http://arxiv.org/abs/1105.2122

http://www.econodynamics.org/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/bullets.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be interested in a much more basic model that suggests the link goes in the other direction, increased debt (due to financial deregulation) directly worsens income distribution.</p>
<p>Inequality is the consequence of a multiplicative process of returns to capital that results in wealth condensation. This is easily captured in a dynamic statistical model.</p>
<p>Debt is key to influencing both detailed distribution of income and wealth, and also the split between returns to labour and capital; the ‘Bowley Ratio’.</p>
<p>The solution to the problem is to move capital into the hands of poorer people via some form of compulsory saving. This could be acheived using a variation on the Chicago/Chile/Singapore style pension system, but applicable to all ages.</p>
<p>For more background information try googling “why money trickles up” or “the Bowley Ratio” or try:</p>
<p><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1105.2122" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/1105.2122</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.econodynamics.org/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/bullets.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.econodynamics.org/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/bullets.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jacob AG</title>
		<link>http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/wealth-leverage-and-bargaining-power-another-compelling-model-of-the-impact-of-inequality/#comment-164262</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob AG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 03:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Josh Mason&#039;s blog post discussing the paper is here: http://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/guest-post-by-jw-mason-the-dynamics-of-household-debt/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh Mason&#8217;s blog post discussing the paper is here: <a href="http://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/guest-post-by-jw-mason-the-dynamics-of-household-debt/" rel="nofollow">http://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/guest-post-by-jw-mason-the-dynamics-of-household-debt/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jacob AG</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob AG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 03:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jared,

My apologies if you&#039;ve responded to this elsewhere (the name &quot;Mason&quot; didn&#039;t turn anything up in your search bar), but have you considered Mason and Jayadev&#039;s paper on the causes of household leverage in the 80s and 90s?

They argue that not only was there was no increase in borrowing during that period, but that households actually ran a primary surplus.  What drove up household leverage was not borrowing per se, but the mechanical effects of higher interest rates and lower GDP growth.  That would call into question &quot;the liberal theory explaining it in terms of efforts... to maintain consumption standards in the face of a falling share of income.&quot;

What say ye?

(by the way, their argument doesn&#039;t necessarily conflict with the IMF model.  You could simply say that rather than increasing borrowing to maintain living standards, households simply refused to borrow less and save as much as was necessary given interest rates and GDP growth)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared,</p>
<p>My apologies if you&#8217;ve responded to this elsewhere (the name &#8220;Mason&#8221; didn&#8217;t turn anything up in your search bar), but have you considered Mason and Jayadev&#8217;s paper on the causes of household leverage in the 80s and 90s?</p>
<p>They argue that not only was there was no increase in borrowing during that period, but that households actually ran a primary surplus.  What drove up household leverage was not borrowing per se, but the mechanical effects of higher interest rates and lower GDP growth.  That would call into question &#8220;the liberal theory explaining it in terms of efforts&#8230; to maintain consumption standards in the face of a falling share of income.&#8221;</p>
<p>What say ye?</p>
<p>(by the way, their argument doesn&#8217;t necessarily conflict with the IMF model.  You could simply say that rather than increasing borrowing to maintain living standards, households simply refused to borrow less and save as much as was necessary given interest rates and GDP growth)</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Bernstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared Bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 17:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here t&#039;is: http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2010/wp10268.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here t&#8217;is: <a href="http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2010/wp10268.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2010/wp10268.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nylund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nylund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 17:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Earlier in my grad school career, I had a very similar idea in mind for a model I was working on, but I was never able to put all the pieces together as I was still quite a novice at the time.  I got distracted later on and never went back to the idea.  I&#039;d be interested in seeing the details of their model.  The provided link talks about a model, but doesn&#039;t show the nitty gritty. Is there a link for that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier in my grad school career, I had a very similar idea in mind for a model I was working on, but I was never able to put all the pieces together as I was still quite a novice at the time.  I got distracted later on and never went back to the idea.  I&#8217;d be interested in seeing the details of their model.  The provided link talks about a model, but doesn&#8217;t show the nitty gritty. Is there a link for that?</p>
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